This is on the edge of both species range so could be either. I will confirm as furva as furva has been recorded in this area before. I have also heard that someone in NSW is looking into the two species to confirm if they are actually different species or the same species. Did you want to use Pterostylis or Speculantha?
@MattM I had a long chat with the botany lecturer up at UNE a few weeks ago, and I think the consensus is leaning towards combining the two...but genetic analysis will be the determining factor.
Haha, it seems this one is coming back to haunt me. We had the two entities in our system and I had them merged into Pterostylis thinking it wouldn’t be relevant to CNM. I’m using Pterostylis for SCNM as that is the existing infrastructure.
Now, to the bigger issue. Matt, you and I had a discussion about this and you know that I feel we should move toward using the broadly accepted names. Ultimately, I feel like we are making a bit of statement by maintaining these names and I can’t see that there are particularly good reasons for continuing do so.
However, and I know it’s not the point, I do feel that David’s approach is a good one. The morphological and ecological evidence for these spilts is pretty strong, and the herbaria have not provided overly strong evidence for the decisions not to accept them. To be perfectly honest my feeling is that David’s reputation (and the damage the Caladenia spilts did) are mostly to blame. Guess we will see what the molecules say. Although I should say there are points to be made as to whether or not molecular genetics should have the final say in speciation; the creation of cryptic species for one (though this is already an issue in orchidaceae). Plus, despite the impression genetic evidence is not always conclusive.Anyhow, this is something that will decided by more knowledgeable people.
In the meantime let’s look at moving CNM to restricted Pterostylis.
Oh sorry. My question was about this sighting in particular because you had selected Pterostylis rather than Speculantha.
@Csteele4 I am glad to hear that there the study of furva/rubescens is looking to lump them because they do look the same, and it will make ID easier haha.
I will be sad to see the Pterostylidae lumped together, but I understand it is long overdue.
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